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A study of seven terminally ill patients found identical surges in brain activity moments before death, providing what may be physiological evidence of "out of body" experiences

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45 points · 8 years ago

No, that just proves that there is a brain activity surge before death.

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The doctors believe they are seeing the brain's neurons discharge as they lose oxygen from lack of blood pressure.

level 1

I thought the surge in brain activity right before death was the cause of a mass release of DMT in the brain. In which case man, they must be tripping complete balls!!

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Death is the best trip you'll ever have.

... and if not, don't worry about it :-D

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4 points · 8 years ago · edited 8 years ago

Get a tablet PC, and put it on a shelf above the doctors' heads in an ER. Have a picture on the screen switch at an interval. If enough a lot of people who report out of body experiences can say what was on the screen, then I'll believe it's more than just a neurological oddity.

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Years ago, I saw a show on discovery about out of body experiences. They had a doctor on there who placed signs above the ceiling tiles above many hospital beds. The signs read "If you are reading this sign, you are dead and having an out of body experience. If you wake up be sure to tell the doctor about this sign."

To date, no one had seen any of the signs.

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3 points · 8 years ago

It astounds me that people believe events like these occur without ever having tested them, or even thought about how they would test them...

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2 points · 8 years ago

then I'll believe it's more than just a neurological oddity.

ftfy....

I think the commonality of OOBEs links to a standard function of the brain in some form rather than a more subjective understanding of an occurrence that would be more psych related.

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1 point · 8 years ago

Good point, edited.

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So from reading the article, we already knew that depriving the brain of oxygen triggers a burst of neural activity. The only new information appears to be that there's a similar burst shortly before death.

While this is interesting, it does not mean that the "out of body" experience is real in any meaningful way. Is there any indication that consciousness was located outside the body? I doubt it; that would have been explicitly mentioned, I believe.

Call me when there are brain waves originating outside of the body---that's a real "out of body" experience. This just as easily supports the claim that "out of body" experiences are dream-like or hallucinatory experiences rather than genuine perceptions of reality.

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5 points · 8 years ago

yeah I don't think a true OOBE, if they exist which of I am skeptical, would be "brain waves" outside of the body, I'd wager it would be something vastly weirder than something so simple, especially since there would have to be something that would maintain coherence of the waves as a process. Of course none of this truly makes sense, so really is somewhat suspect (somewhat being well under funded for my intent).

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How would you measure brain waves that originate outside of the body?

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Stick your head in water and record the water waves for a few hours.

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Foam head, EEG electrodes, wave it around.

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3 points · 8 years ago

brain waves originating outside of the body

Mumbo-jumbo. Do you know what a "brain wave" is? It is the summed electrical activity of neurons firing in the brain. Unless you have a swathe of living, firing neurons magically floating around your head, you will not see "brain waves originating outside the body." In fact, you won't see brain waves even in the body, just in the brain.

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How fascinatng, thank you for posting. Kez

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kez?

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2 points · 8 years ago

I had an idea that since we perceive time relatively, then the moment before death, our sense of time becomes infinite, so that 1ms before death seems like an eternity.

Silly idea, but it was a fun thought experiment.

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3 points · 8 years ago

Here's a silly footnote for your silly idea:

The Punisher in Punisher 2099 uses the idea you mentioned as part of his torture routine when executing prisoners.

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That's the parallel of the several emergency error signals and messages that would appear in a cyborg's core system & HUD moments before permanent shutdown. Like this.

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What the hell is moments before of death? Death cannot pinpointed in time.

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0 points · 8 years ago

I think it is the simple "last gasp" of the primordial self struggling to live. The body wants to live no matter how ill it is...it is the body's prime directive, survive.

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2 points · 8 years ago

Baseless speculation. How can you even say that? What does it mean for the body to want to live? Does your bicep actively try to live?

Define "primordial self." Furthermore, how is a flutter of brain activity a "struggle" to live? Why would more brain activity mean more of a desire to live? Because that would mean that while I am asleep, I want to die more than during the day.

You're throwing around words and concepts whose meanings you do not understand.

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1 point · 8 years ago · edited 8 years ago

succinctly stated - the Super id

Have you ever died in your dreams? Most people I know wake up before the hit the ground...ever walked to the edge of a high platform and look down and feel your body pull you back from falling? Unless your conscious drive to die overpowers the subconscious "primordial" will to live at all costs...the conscious will lose out.

A flutter? WTF are you talking about....they clearly stated that right at the time of death there was a flutter of brain activity and they suggested it was the soul leaving it's cage. I suggest nothing more than a last gasp at the body struggling to stay alive. Then again it might be like a battery that sends one final capacitative discharge through the body when it finally exhausts itself. We are pretty much a walking sack of charged particles most of the time. Don't know what I'm saying? No, you sir, are obtuse and narrow minded....how do you think people are able to stay alive in horrid conditions in ICU's with nothing more than tubes to keep them alive? The subconscious primordial will to live....and artificial support.

It's not that hard to fathom you just have to give up the notion Jesus is doing it for you...or that your delusional "soul" is stepping into a parallel universe where you get to do it all over again, or maybe hang ten with a bearded white guy in a gated community.

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Then why does it age? That is of course the body's physical build to do so.

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level 4

"daemon." it's a little different.

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1 point · 8 years ago

phh phhht...g-g-god dammit Cartman...!!!

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The doctors believe they are seeing the brain's neurons discharge as they lose oxygen from lack of blood pressure.

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-1 points · 8 years ago

Well, that's been known for quite some time and totally debunks the myth that outer body experiences are spiritual.

At that moment of time they are still alive.

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It doesn't do much to debunk OOBE, however, OOBE simply has no supporting evidence (this including as it applies no support), one needn't debunk it.

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0 points · 8 years ago

You are making a conclusion that has nothing to do with the data. First, there is no evidence that this increase in brain wave activity is an "out of body experience," whatever that is supposed to be.

Second, even if it is, it is still occurring withing the body, and therefore cannot be an out of body experience by definition.

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1 point · 8 years ago

I've made no conclusions, what the hell are you talking about?

First, there is no evidence that this increase in brain wave activity is an "out of body experience

No shit. But it's been suggested since the 80's that out of body experiences and near death experiences have been a result of brain activity. Spikes in brain activity have been irrelevant until now. I was stating out of body experiences have always in the scientific field been seen as brain activity rather than spiritual nonsense.

by definition.

Out of body experiences are when the person perceives their consciousness to be out of their own body. Either by just a feeling, or visual stimulation. Again, perceives.

it is still occurring withing the body

Agreed, the reality is it's all in the mind. Anyone who thinks different is in lala land. I think you have your wires crossed, misread my comment, or meant to reply to someone else.

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That surge is the psychic transmission of the soul!

level 2

The doctors believe they are seeing the brain's neurons discharge as they lose oxygen from lack of blood pressure.

level 3

So you admit to cherry picking which beliefs you accept as fact. It's good to know you have faith.

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